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	<description>Extreme giftedness, re-forming education, homeschooling, parenting and more...as seen from the Washington, DC suburbs.</description>
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		<title>By: Same As It Ever Was: Howard Co. Student Denied &#171; The &#34;More&#34; Child</title>
		<link>http://themorechild.com/2009/09/18/go-laura-sorry-kay/#comment-2276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Same As It Ever Was: Howard Co. Student Denied &#171; The &#34;More&#34; Child]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] heart&#8211;Jay Mathews taking on the case of gifted student denied acceleration.  Echoes of the Singam case. Anyone who wants to appreciate how strong a grip high school has on the American imagination, and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] heart&#8211;Jay Mathews taking on the case of gifted student denied acceleration.  Echoes of the Singam case. Anyone who wants to appreciate how strong a grip high school has on the American imagination, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Beat of a Different Drummer &#171; High Ability</title>
		<link>http://themorechild.com/2009/09/18/go-laura-sorry-kay/#comment-2263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Beat of a Different Drummer &#171; High Ability]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Child,&#8221; there are some schools where whole grade acceleration is routinely dismissed. And in &#8220;Go Laura, Sorry Kay,&#8221; Switched On Mom points out that math intervention isn&#8217;t the only area that needs [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Child,&#8221; there are some schools where whole grade acceleration is routinely dismissed. And in &#8220;Go Laura, Sorry Kay,&#8221; Switched On Mom points out that math intervention isn&#8217;t the only area that needs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://themorechild.com/2009/09/18/go-laura-sorry-kay/#comment-2252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The moderately gifted get clustered, the more highly gifted get skipped and then put in the gifted cluster.  Skipping does not move kids out of the gifted cluster, just changes what level they are in.  Thus, no competition.

If the kid can&#039;t handle the gifted level after skipping, then they are not ready for a skip.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moderately gifted get clustered, the more highly gifted get skipped and then put in the gifted cluster.  Skipping does not move kids out of the gifted cluster, just changes what level they are in.  Thus, no competition.</p>
<p>If the kid can&#8217;t handle the gifted level after skipping, then they are not ready for a skip.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://themorechild.com/2009/09/18/go-laura-sorry-kay/#comment-2249</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How are they not competing options? I am aware of the difficulties in putting together programs arranged specifically for highly gifted students; that is my point exactly. Any such programs would have to have full participation. If some qualifying students opt out because they would rather skip grades, students who can&#039;t skip grades (for example, because of grossly uneven intellectual development) have no options left that would enable them to spend time with intellectual peers. The only way these two options are not competing options is if we assume clustering highly gifted students is so impractical as to be impossible and that grade skipping combined with clustering for less gifted students is the ONLY options available to the highly gifted -- in which case, highly gifted students who cannot skip grades have zero options anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are they not competing options? I am aware of the difficulties in putting together programs arranged specifically for highly gifted students; that is my point exactly. Any such programs would have to have full participation. If some qualifying students opt out because they would rather skip grades, students who can&#8217;t skip grades (for example, because of grossly uneven intellectual development) have no options left that would enable them to spend time with intellectual peers. The only way these two options are not competing options is if we assume clustering highly gifted students is so impractical as to be impossible and that grade skipping combined with clustering for less gifted students is the ONLY options available to the highly gifted &#8212; in which case, highly gifted students who cannot skip grades have zero options anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://themorechild.com/2009/09/18/go-laura-sorry-kay/#comment-2248</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since it requires a really enormous district to put together a class of the top 0.1%, there are almost no such programs.  Those that do exist often involve such long commute times that it is not clear that there is sufficient benefit to justify the travel time.

Programs set up for the top 5% (about as selective as most districts can get and still have enough students to form a class) don&#039;t do much for the EG kids, who need to skip and then get placed in a top-5% program.

Both acceleration and clustering are needed interventions---they are rarely competing options.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it requires a really enormous district to put together a class of the top 0.1%, there are almost no such programs.  Those that do exist often involve such long commute times that it is not clear that there is sufficient benefit to justify the travel time.</p>
<p>Programs set up for the top 5% (about as selective as most districts can get and still have enough students to form a class) don&#8217;t do much for the EG kids, who need to skip and then get placed in a top-5% program.</p>
<p>Both acceleration and clustering are needed interventions&#8212;they are rarely competing options.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://themorechild.com/2009/09/18/go-laura-sorry-kay/#comment-2245</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This isn&#039;t really related to the previous comments, but it is related to the original post and the subject of grade skipping in general. Although I consider myself an advocate of gifted education, I still have reservations about grade skipping. For one thing, what many gifted kids need is an accelerated program that continuously moves at a faster pace than a regular class. Grade-skipping puts kids in a more advanced class that moves at a normal pace, which to the extremely gifted, is slow. 

My second complaint is that it fosters no cohesiveness or sense of community among very gifted kids. When I was in school, if I could have chosen between being put in a class with older kids or being put in a class with other gifted kids (and I mean really gifted kids, not the mildly gifted crowd that so often ends up in those programs), I would have definitely chosen the latter, because then I would have been with kids who were both age and intellectual peers. I would have been normal. Because EG and PG kids are so rare in the general population, attempts by the public schools to create programs that cater to them specifically will be thwarted if most of them choose not to participate and to skip grades instead. Such programs are virtually nonexistent anyway, but there&#039;s no way the schools would consider them worth the expense if they didn&#039;t get full participation from the few students who qualified. If a school considered creating such a program, but canceled it because most of the qualifying students preferred the prestige associated with grade-skipping and eventual early high school graduation, what would happen to the few qualifying students who needed it, and for whom whole-grade skipping was, for one reason or another, not a viable option? Would they have any opportunities available to them that would enable them to get both an advanced curriculum and regular, face-to-face interaction with intellectual peers studying the same subjects? If schools consider grade skipping a good option for some highly gifted students but not others, what options will be available for those &quot;others&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t really related to the previous comments, but it is related to the original post and the subject of grade skipping in general. Although I consider myself an advocate of gifted education, I still have reservations about grade skipping. For one thing, what many gifted kids need is an accelerated program that continuously moves at a faster pace than a regular class. Grade-skipping puts kids in a more advanced class that moves at a normal pace, which to the extremely gifted, is slow. </p>
<p>My second complaint is that it fosters no cohesiveness or sense of community among very gifted kids. When I was in school, if I could have chosen between being put in a class with older kids or being put in a class with other gifted kids (and I mean really gifted kids, not the mildly gifted crowd that so often ends up in those programs), I would have definitely chosen the latter, because then I would have been with kids who were both age and intellectual peers. I would have been normal. Because EG and PG kids are so rare in the general population, attempts by the public schools to create programs that cater to them specifically will be thwarted if most of them choose not to participate and to skip grades instead. Such programs are virtually nonexistent anyway, but there&#8217;s no way the schools would consider them worth the expense if they didn&#8217;t get full participation from the few students who qualified. If a school considered creating such a program, but canceled it because most of the qualifying students preferred the prestige associated with grade-skipping and eventual early high school graduation, what would happen to the few qualifying students who needed it, and for whom whole-grade skipping was, for one reason or another, not a viable option? Would they have any opportunities available to them that would enable them to get both an advanced curriculum and regular, face-to-face interaction with intellectual peers studying the same subjects? If schools consider grade skipping a good option for some highly gifted students but not others, what options will be available for those &#8220;others&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: SwitchedOnMom</title>
		<link>http://themorechild.com/2009/09/18/go-laura-sorry-kay/#comment-2206</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.  Putting the data out there would be incredibly constructive--and could actually be in the interest of MCPS.  Laying it out there and allowing us to deal with facts might quiet some of the parent advocate sturm and drang.  However by being so secretive, parents are left to trade anecdotes and spin conspiracy theories in the dark.  If MCPS is &quot;all about the data&quot; then let&#039;s have at it and let the chips fall where they may.

Yeah, we&#039;re the bad family.  And we pulled a child right before the MSAs too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  Putting the data out there would be incredibly constructive&#8211;and could actually be in the interest of MCPS.  Laying it out there and allowing us to deal with facts might quiet some of the parent advocate sturm and drang.  However by being so secretive, parents are left to trade anecdotes and spin conspiracy theories in the dark.  If MCPS is &#8220;all about the data&#8221; then let&#8217;s have at it and let the chips fall where they may.</p>
<p>Yeah, we&#8217;re the bad family.  And we pulled a child right before the MSAs too.</p>
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		<title>By: kirsten</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be incredibly useful to have the absolute statistics from the &quot;global screening&quot; or any out-of-level tests. How many profoundly gifted students are there in MC? How many highly gifted? 

Yes, accommodations need to be designed for individual children, but what is the total demand for these accommodations and services? And the statistics need to include the children at the many fine private schools in the area. 

With the huge size of the MCPS student population and the fascination of the bureaucracy with numbers, this should be a no-brainer. 

BTW, your children are contributing to the level of transiency in the local schools. C. might be counted 3 times, leaving the love school, leaving the HGC, and then leaving her middle school. That&#039;s an interesting idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be incredibly useful to have the absolute statistics from the &#8220;global screening&#8221; or any out-of-level tests. How many profoundly gifted students are there in MC? How many highly gifted? </p>
<p>Yes, accommodations need to be designed for individual children, but what is the total demand for these accommodations and services? And the statistics need to include the children at the many fine private schools in the area. </p>
<p>With the huge size of the MCPS student population and the fascination of the bureaucracy with numbers, this should be a no-brainer. </p>
<p>BTW, your children are contributing to the level of transiency in the local schools. C. might be counted 3 times, leaving the love school, leaving the HGC, and then leaving her middle school. That&#8217;s an interesting idea.</p>
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